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was kind of the easy thing. the tough thing was building nato afterwards. wasn't winning world war ii the tough thing? i think it's a revealing little insight into his mind that deep down all this war stuff, that was kind of in the past, and sometimes you had to do it, but that's not really what a real statesman of the 21st century does. international engagement and avoid war at all costs. jon: some have suggested that the policies he pushed or emphasized like, you know, expanding gay marriage, for instance, don't cost anything, don't take money out of the federal budget. >> well, that might be true in some case cans, but again there, i mean, he makes that sound as if there's a universal consensus in the united states that gay rights is of the same standing as the civil rights movement from selma to stonewall. wasn't president obama himself not in favor of gay marriage until six months ago? do you have to believe in same-sex marriage if you believe in the principles of the declaration of independence? i don't think so. i don't think most americans think that's just obviously the right
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